Comments on: Bletsien þec, dryhten http://haligweorc.wordpress.com/2007/08/28/bletsien-%c3%beec-dryhten/ Old English: Sanctuary (formed from the words "holy" and "work" thus what goes on in a sanctuary.) This is my sanctuary for writing on religion, academics, and the other things that ground my life. Sun, 20 Jul 2008 11:40:39 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=MU By: Christopher http://haligweorc.wordpress.com/2007/08/28/bletsien-%c3%beec-dryhten/#comment-3907 Christopher Tue, 28 Aug 2007 20:28:52 +0000 http://haligweorc.wordpress.com/2007/08/28/bletsien-%c3%beec-dryhten/#comment-3907 Someone popped by and just noted that a tendens may be emerging among a small group peers of mine at the GTU, a cohort of liturgical scholars, that is putting into question recent assumptions, and offering a return to the sensibilities of particular traditions. Someone popped by and just noted that a tendens may be emerging among a small group peers of mine at the GTU, a cohort of liturgical scholars, that is putting into question recent assumptions, and offering a return to the sensibilities of particular traditions.

]]> By: Christopher http://haligweorc.wordpress.com/2007/08/28/bletsien-%c3%beec-dryhten/#comment-3906 Christopher Tue, 28 Aug 2007 20:24:09 +0000 http://haligweorc.wordpress.com/2007/08/28/bletsien-%c3%beec-dryhten/#comment-3906 I'm not ready for the revision process until we question some assumptions of the last revision. Until that work is done, I'm afraid in revision will continue a push in a direction with which I'm quite uncomfortable. I’m not ready for the revision process until we question some assumptions of the last revision. Until that work is done, I’m afraid in revision will continue a push in a direction with which I’m quite uncomfortable.

]]> By: Derek the Ænglican http://haligweorc.wordpress.com/2007/08/28/bletsien-%c3%beec-dryhten/#comment-3905 Derek the Ænglican Tue, 28 Aug 2007 18:53:31 +0000 http://haligweorc.wordpress.com/2007/08/28/bletsien-%c3%beec-dryhten/#comment-3905 Marshall+, the liturgical presentation culture's certainly part of it--but I don't think all. I think this topic could be fodder for a fuller post at the Cafe... Marshall+, the liturgical presentation culture’s certainly part of it–but I don’t think all.

I think this topic could be fodder for a fuller post at the Cafe…

]]> By: Marshall Scott http://haligweorc.wordpress.com/2007/08/28/bletsien-%c3%beec-dryhten/#comment-3904 Marshall Scott Tue, 28 Aug 2007 18:32:48 +0000 http://haligweorc.wordpress.com/2007/08/28/bletsien-%c3%beec-dryhten/#comment-3904 Worse, it's a 19th Century recension of a 17th Century idea of what Jacobean English sounded like. Derek, I think the biggest problem with perceiving the contemporary language (which is how I characterize Rite II, in contrast to "traditional language") is not the banality of the words, but the banality of the presentation. I think there's plenty of majesty in Rite II. I think a culture of "chumminess" in the liturgy, if you will, is the problem. I think a common inability to distinguish between good, contemporary hymnody and cheap "praise music" is of the same order. Of course, as Derek and Christopher know, I'm ready for the revision process to start again, with all the risks that entails.... Worse, it’s a 19th Century recension of a 17th Century idea of what Jacobean English sounded like.

Derek, I think the biggest problem with perceiving the contemporary language (which is how I characterize Rite II, in contrast to “traditional language” ;) is not the banality of the words, but the banality of the presentation. I think there’s plenty of majesty in Rite II. I think a culture of “chumminess” in the liturgy, if you will, is the problem. I think a common inability to distinguish between good, contemporary hymnody and cheap “praise music” is of the same order.

Of course, as Derek and Christopher know, I’m ready for the revision process to start again, with all the risks that entails….

]]> By: Derek the Ænglican http://haligweorc.wordpress.com/2007/08/28/bletsien-%c3%beec-dryhten/#comment-3903 Derek the Ænglican Tue, 28 Aug 2007 18:19:28 +0000 http://haligweorc.wordpress.com/2007/08/28/bletsien-%c3%beec-dryhten/#comment-3903 I greatly prefer Rite I. For me the language serves as a reminder that we are not in the typical sphere of operation. Furthermore, I find it aesthetically superior to Rite II. Use of the "vernacular" need not mean banality. I greatly prefer Rite I.

For me the language serves as a reminder that we are not in the typical sphere of operation. Furthermore, I find it aesthetically superior to Rite II. Use of the “vernacular” need not mean banality.

]]> By: Michelle http://haligweorc.wordpress.com/2007/08/28/bletsien-%c3%beec-dryhten/#comment-3902 Michelle Tue, 28 Aug 2007 18:10:51 +0000 http://haligweorc.wordpress.com/2007/08/28/bletsien-%c3%beec-dryhten/#comment-3902 It really bugs me, along with the assumption that if you like all things medieval, then you must perfer Rite I. I don't really like the Elizabethan era, so why would I like Rite I language. I find Rite I to be distracting. We use Rite I during Lent on the idea that you have to concentrate on the words more because it is more difficult/foreign. It works the opposite on me. When I concentrate more on reading it correctly, I concentrate less on what it actually says. I might like the Rite I liturgical choices better if they were in modern English. It really bugs me, along with the assumption that if you like all things medieval, then you must perfer Rite I. I don’t really like the Elizabethan era, so why would I like Rite I language.

I find Rite I to be distracting. We use Rite I during Lent on the idea that you have to concentrate on the words more because it is more difficult/foreign. It works the opposite on me. When I concentrate more on reading it correctly, I concentrate less on what it actually says. I might like the Rite I liturgical choices better if they were in modern English.

]]> By: Derek the Ænglican http://haligweorc.wordpress.com/2007/08/28/bletsien-%c3%beec-dryhten/#comment-3900 Derek the Ænglican Tue, 28 Aug 2007 17:34:06 +0000 http://haligweorc.wordpress.com/2007/08/28/bletsien-%c3%beec-dryhten/#comment-3900 It's coming, Christopher... It may be a little while though. It’s coming, Christopher… It may be a little while though.

]]> By: Christopher http://haligweorc.wordpress.com/2007/08/28/bletsien-%c3%beec-dryhten/#comment-3898 Christopher Tue, 28 Aug 2007 17:27:36 +0000 http://haligweorc.wordpress.com/2007/08/28/bletsien-%c3%beec-dryhten/#comment-3898 No, Rite I is updated Elizabethan/Jacobean English. Old English feeels more Germanic somehow. I'm curious as to your thoughts on my note about the BCP. No, Rite I is updated Elizabethan/Jacobean English. Old English feeels more Germanic somehow. I’m curious as to your thoughts on my note about the BCP.

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