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		<title>By: Invaluable Find by bls!! &#171; haligweorc</title>
		<link>http://haligweorc.wordpress.com/2007/05/23/traditional-office-hymns/#comment-5488</link>
		<dc:creator>Invaluable Find by bls!! &#171; haligweorc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 16:41:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] with the list the Aelfric gives in the Letter to the Monks at Eynsham the temporal cycle of which I mostly reproduced here. IIRC, they are similar but by no means identical (reminding us once again of the inevitable [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] with the list the Aelfric gives in the Letter to the Monks at Eynsham the temporal cycle of which I mostly reproduced here. IIRC, they are similar but by no means identical (reminding us once again of the inevitable [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Breviary Hymns &#171; haligweorc</title>
		<link>http://haligweorc.wordpress.com/2007/05/23/traditional-office-hymns/#comment-4946</link>
		<dc:creator>Breviary Hymns &#171; haligweorc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2007 13:55:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Style Daily Office), including numbers for hymns that appear in the &#8216;82 Hymnal. A tenth-century English Benedictine list appears here. At some point in the future I may consolidate these for ease of reference (perhaps in connection [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Style Daily Office), including numbers for hymns that appear in the &#8216;82 Hymnal. A tenth-century English Benedictine list appears here. At some point in the future I may consolidate these for ease of reference (perhaps in connection [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Derek the Ænglican</title>
		<link>http://haligweorc.wordpress.com/2007/05/23/traditional-office-hymns/#comment-2183</link>
		<dc:creator>Derek the Ænglican</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 May 2007 15:39:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I've heard much about that one but have not yet acquired it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve heard much about that one but have not yet acquired it.</p>
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		<title>By: *Christopher</title>
		<link>http://haligweorc.wordpress.com/2007/05/23/traditional-office-hymns/#comment-2181</link>
		<dc:creator>*Christopher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 May 2007 03:17:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Derek,

Have you reviewed this one yet?

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/customer-reviews/1856074951/sr=8-3/qid=1180149063/ref=cm_cr_dp_pt/103-2954576-8755868?ie=UTF8&#38;n=283155&#38;s=books&#38;qid=1180149063&#38;sr=8-3#customerReviews

I've contacted Fr. John-Julian about the Divine Office and I'm looking about for the Monastic Breviary for consideration.  One thing is that in a mixed tradition household finding something that is not overly Marian (but not devoid of Mary) is difficult.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Derek,</p>
<p>Have you reviewed this one yet?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/customer-reviews/1856074951/sr=8-3/qid=1180149063/ref=cm_cr_dp_pt/103-2954576-8755868?ie=UTF8&amp;n=283155&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1180149063&amp;sr=8-3#customerReviews" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/customer-reviews/1856074951/sr=8-3/qid=1180149063/ref=cm_cr_dp_pt/103-2954576-8755868?ie=UTF8&amp;n=283155&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1180149063&amp;sr=8-3#customerReviews</a></p>
<p>I&#8217;ve contacted Fr. John-Julian about the Divine Office and I&#8217;m looking about for the Monastic Breviary for consideration.  One thing is that in a mixed tradition household finding something that is not overly Marian (but not devoid of Mary) is difficult.</p>
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		<title>By: Derek the Ænglican</title>
		<link>http://haligweorc.wordpress.com/2007/05/23/traditional-office-hymns/#comment-2166</link>
		<dc:creator>Derek the Ænglican</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2007 04:45:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the link lukacs--that's a *much* better price than I've seen anywhere else after a quick check! Hmmm...this seems to have *Father's Day gift* written all over it... ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the link lukacs&#8211;that&#8217;s a *much* better price than I&#8217;ve seen anywhere else after a quick check! Hmmm&#8230;this seems to have *Father&#8217;s Day gift* written all over it&#8230; <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: lukacs</title>
		<link>http://haligweorc.wordpress.com/2007/05/23/traditional-office-hymns/#comment-2163</link>
		<dc:creator>lukacs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2007 15:21:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oh--per our exchange on the SHIP, here is a source for the ENGLISH OFFICE that is cheapest in the U.S. and ships directly (rather than having to be imported from the UK):

http://www.monasterygreetings.com/Products.asp?PCID=297</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh&#8211;per our exchange on the SHIP, here is a source for the ENGLISH OFFICE that is cheapest in the U.S. and ships directly (rather than having to be imported from the UK):</p>
<p><a href="http://www.monasterygreetings.com/Products.asp?PCID=297" rel="nofollow">http://www.monasterygreetings.com/Products.asp?PCID=297</a></p>
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		<title>By: Derek the Ænglican</title>
		<link>http://haligweorc.wordpress.com/2007/05/23/traditional-office-hymns/#comment-2162</link>
		<dc:creator>Derek the Ænglican</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2007 20:31:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It would indeed by possible, *Christopher. Much good work on Anglican Offices in a Benedictine mode has been and is being done by some of our Anglican monastic brethren and sistren. I'm thinking especially of the revised &lt;i&gt;Monastic Diurnal Noted&lt;/i&gt; from the Community of St. Mary (in the final proof-reading stages, I hear), the &lt;i&gt;Monastic Breviary&lt;/i&gt; from the Order of the Holy Cross, and the &lt;i&gt;Divine Office&lt;/i&gt; from the Order of Julian of Norwich (with painstakingly transcribed neumes and fresh translations by Fr. John-Julian who comments here on occasion...).

That having been said, none of these are specifically hooked into this particular strata of English monasticism. Several of the hymns mentioned here have fallen out of use over the past several centuries  and--to the best of my knowledge--are most easily found in  Milfull's &lt;a href="http://www.amazon.com/Hymns-Anglo-Saxon-Church-Cambridge-Studies/dp/0521030811/ref=sr_1_1/103-2632387-9861425?ie=UTF8&#38;s=books&#38;qid=1179950864&#38;sr=8-1" rel="nofollow"&gt;Hymns of the Anglo-Saxon Church&lt;/a&gt;. Her translation is entirely literal, though; some re-translating would have to be done to have suitable English devotional texts. 

It's entirely doable--but not until the dissertation gets finished...

Lukacs--you're on next time I'm up that way!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would indeed by possible, *Christopher. Much good work on Anglican Offices in a Benedictine mode has been and is being done by some of our Anglican monastic brethren and sistren. I&#8217;m thinking especially of the revised <i>Monastic Diurnal Noted</i> from the Community of St. Mary (in the final proof-reading stages, I hear), the <i>Monastic Breviary</i> from the Order of the Holy Cross, and the <i>Divine Office</i> from the Order of Julian of Norwich (with painstakingly transcribed neumes and fresh translations by Fr. John-Julian who comments here on occasion&#8230;).</p>
<p>That having been said, none of these are specifically hooked into this particular strata of English monasticism. Several of the hymns mentioned here have fallen out of use over the past several centuries  and&#8211;to the best of my knowledge&#8211;are most easily found in  Milfull&#8217;s <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Hymns-Anglo-Saxon-Church-Cambridge-Studies/dp/0521030811/ref=sr_1_1/103-2632387-9861425?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1179950864&amp;sr=8-1" rel="nofollow">Hymns of the Anglo-Saxon Church</a>. Her translation is entirely literal, though; some re-translating would have to be done to have suitable English devotional texts. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s entirely doable&#8211;but not until the dissertation gets finished&#8230;</p>
<p>Lukacs&#8211;you&#8217;re on next time I&#8217;m up that way!</p>
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		<title>By: *Christopher</title>
		<link>http://haligweorc.wordpress.com/2007/05/23/traditional-office-hymns/#comment-2161</link>
		<dc:creator>*Christopher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2007 17:29:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Derek,

This is the discussion of "tradition" so often lacking and the historian in me sighs with relief at your discussion here not only of tradition, but of purity--we know better now than to pretend that change wasn't always happening, that diversity was somehow non-existent, etc.

My question to you, being more expert at these Medieval practices in England, and we could shape them differently depending on which other place in Europe or Africa or the Middle East we chose, I suppose, would it be possible to provide a Benedictine Morning, Noon, Evening, and Compline listing in the Anglican way utilizing these beautiful hymns for each season?  And, how about English translations and a mode/tone given us?  I know, I'm asking a lot but  I ask because few of us have time to do this shuffling, picking, etc., so regularity (which our ancestors knew was an important part of memorization) is important for we who live our prayer lives in the world often on our way or as we work.  I may need to look into the Anglican Breviary, or the short Benedictine one by Max Johnson again.  Juggling books is problematic, and I don't like praying from on-line much.

I guess, what I long for is a community prayerbook, hymnbook, and psalter in the Benedictine mode within the English Benedictine past for use within the Anglican way in our time.  Somehow, I envy the monks of Mt. Angel with their own "use".</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Derek,</p>
<p>This is the discussion of &#8220;tradition&#8221; so often lacking and the historian in me sighs with relief at your discussion here not only of tradition, but of purity&#8211;we know better now than to pretend that change wasn&#8217;t always happening, that diversity was somehow non-existent, etc.</p>
<p>My question to you, being more expert at these Medieval practices in England, and we could shape them differently depending on which other place in Europe or Africa or the Middle East we chose, I suppose, would it be possible to provide a Benedictine Morning, Noon, Evening, and Compline listing in the Anglican way utilizing these beautiful hymns for each season?  And, how about English translations and a mode/tone given us?  I know, I&#8217;m asking a lot but  I ask because few of us have time to do this shuffling, picking, etc., so regularity (which our ancestors knew was an important part of memorization) is important for we who live our prayer lives in the world often on our way or as we work.  I may need to look into the Anglican Breviary, or the short Benedictine one by Max Johnson again.  Juggling books is problematic, and I don&#8217;t like praying from on-line much.</p>
<p>I guess, what I long for is a community prayerbook, hymnbook, and psalter in the Benedictine mode within the English Benedictine past for use within the Anglican way in our time.  Somehow, I envy the monks of Mt. Angel with their own &#8220;use&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: lukacs</title>
		<link>http://haligweorc.wordpress.com/2007/05/23/traditional-office-hymns/#comment-2160</link>
		<dc:creator>lukacs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2007 14:44:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I feel a little bad for raising this point while you should be dissertating, but hey, if it actually ends up in your chapter 3 then I suppose you owe me beer!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel a little bad for raising this point while you should be dissertating, but hey, if it actually ends up in your chapter 3 then I suppose you owe me beer!</p>
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		<title>By: Derek the Ænglican</title>
		<link>http://haligweorc.wordpress.com/2007/05/23/traditional-office-hymns/#comment-2159</link>
		<dc:creator>Derek the Ænglican</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2007 14:14:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And, yes, this relates directly to chapter 3... ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And, yes, this relates directly to chapter 3&#8230; <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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